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Post Processing of Event Photos

There was an article in American Photography a few years ago debating the "pure" form of photography vs. the more "modern digital" art. The purists proposed that the skill in taking the photograph well in the first place; where no post processing of individual sections just re-sizing, cropping and overall image processing changes to the entire photo as a whole should be allowed in shows and contests. Another side was that any image where only a part of an image is adjusted because of an error of some type should have a separate classification indicating that type of modification. Not judging, just looking for peoples perspectives.

As someone who spent a lot of time working with transparencies, film, and prints, and relatively new to digital, i'm still working out my relationship to the e-medium.

I was trying to draw distinctions between the level and kinds of "processing" that most people would feel is appropriate to work that has different purposes, markets, or audiences, so i would not use overly broad terms like "true photography."

For better or worse, i think most people's notion of how a photograph "should" look has been mostly formed by the long period in which film-based technology was the primary means of image making. I think that's still the standard by which a photograph is viewed.

But, again, depending on the venue, there are different levels of acceptance of "manipulation." Documentary photography had, perhaps, more of a requirement to look "real," whereas "fine art" photographers, or commercial illustrative photographers had more license to take images in directions apart from "straight" documentation.

But even in photojournalism, the photographer can make choices in lens selection, framing, viewpoint, exposure, etc. to emphasize some particular aspect of a scene, even for a "straight" photograph.

People now grumble about "overcooked" processing and HDR, but this is really just the modern equivalent of burning a print too heavily burnt or dodged.

I think that when the techniques applied to an image—all through the process of making the image—serve the intent of the photographer and the integrity of the image, then it's valid. When something is done randomly, or excessively, or just for it's own sake without regard to the overall concept of the image, then it's just so much random visual noise, much like a musician playing notes randomly too loud in an orchestra.

The Wedding Planner

Selecting vendors can be a hit, or miss situation. I highly recommend highering a wedding planner first. If they're good, they'll take the time to get to know you, your personality and style. Planners typically have relationships with multiple vendors in the wedding industry. They'll be able to refer some that will be within your budget and complement your style.

So, your first move is to hire a planner. Make sure that your personalities mesh, you get a great vibe from them and they understand your vision. This person will be your closet friend throughout the planning process and on your special day, as well as the liaison to all of your vendors.

Questions about family rules

After years of having my daughters left out of family get-together's with their female cousins I brought it to my sister in laws attention that my kids didn't feel like part of the family. They have tried over the last several years to try to include my kids but honestly my girls want no part of it, and I barely know my nieces. Now they are all older and this last weekend there was a wedding shower. I sent several gifts but did not attend.

I am very busy with 5 kids of my own ranging from 4 - 20 years and always have 6 - 9 kids at my house. I have no time for myself let alone for someone who purposely moved over an hour away to put distance between her family and her siblings. I did my shopping at the last minute and instead of buying one expensive gift I purchased several inexpensive gifts and sent them with another relative, opting out of traveling for the day. When I saw the other relative later I was chided several times for purchasing more than one gift and not attending. I cant help being a realist. I have helped many kids get there first apartment and I know this kid was going to end up with a $100 coffee pot and no cup to drink it out of so why the big deal over multiple gifts and not attending?

As for the shower thing, I would just forget about it. I can maybe see how sending the gift with someone else as opposed to mailing it could send a slightly off message. Clearly you have kids and barely have time, but maybe they felt like you didn't feel it was important. To them it probably was important. Everyone sees these things differently. Also, if you were the one that's been asking for more inclusion, I guess I am not understanding why you aren't taking them up on things.

And not all family has to live 10 minutes from one another. It's perfectly normal that family members live within a few hours from one another. Jobs, schools, work, it's all a factor in where one lives.

Another question about lenses

So the canon loyalty program only has certain refurbished lenses in stock. My SIL in buying today, so I am hoping I get an answer to this question quickly (please?)

Again, I'm shooting on a T3 crop body. I was looking for a shorter ranged lens a prime.
They only have these lenses
10-22 f 3.5
17-40 f4
24-105 f4
28-135 3.5

These lenses are available refurbished and at a discount ranging from 20-30% depending on the lens. I am debating the 17-40 and the 10-22. I hear the 17-40 isn't THAT great on a crop body. The 10-22 is an efs lens so I'm leaning more towards this one but wanted to get a second opinion (or two or three!)

10-22 f 3.5 is a very good lens for only a crop sensor body. It's extremely wide angle, good for certain shots, but definitely not a general purpose lens. It will give some great creative abilities -- perspectives you simply cannot get with other lenses.

17-40 f4 is a well-build 'L' lens, which works as a nice GP lens for crop sensors, and a wide angle for full-frame. The image is good, and the price is very good. I do not own one, but have considered buying one.

24-105 f4 is another well-built 'L' lens, which has decent image, although a bit of distortion at the wide end. I use this a lot on a full-frame camera, but it's not as wide as I like on a crop.

28-135 3.5 is a very inexpensive lens with decent image quality. Build quality isn't as good, although it will give better images than your existing 18-200. It is rather long for a crop body, so don't expect to shoot indoors unless it's a close-up. These are often available used for $250.

Of those, I would suggest going with the 10-22 just to give you some great options to go with your existing lens selection. If you like prime lenses, this will still make you happy... throw in a 30mm at some point, and you'll have all the important ranges for general photography using just your primes and this.

Can anyone answer a digicam video question?

My camera is nothing special, but I love it. It is a late model Canon Powershot. Unfortunately, it's the only video camera I have currently. For a work assignment, I had to shoot two short clips, the first - one minute and the 2nd - 38 seconds. I am trying to figure out how to loop the two and make them run smoothly on my laptop. I will be running them from a late model iMac tomorrow. I installed the user's manual, but I still can't figure out why the shorter clip is out of sync. They were shot one right after the other.

Will they likely run more smoothly on a newer laptop? Are there editing tools built into the camera? Elementary questions, I know.

Do people think the money is in photography?

I am scratching my head trying to work out who on earth actually pays for photography.

Brides and Grooms - aside from the fact there are hardly any weddings any more - all the B&Gs that I have encountered are quite happily using friends/relatives with cameras and crowdsourcing the iPhone snaps from the congregation.

I remember one woman getting married and her mother insisting on a photographer so she went online and found one that ended up being pretty crummy.

Business tends to use whatever lies to hand. I have been watching people at ribbon cuttings at my chamber of commerce all happily photographing events with iPhones and iPads. I could do a hell of a lot better with my digital SLR. I never get asked. The photos on the Chamber website are pretty grim.

The problem is... people are content with poor quality wile refusing to pay for better quality. With an attitude whereby anything free is better than something of high-quality that costs money, how does anybody make any money from photography?

I was just looking at one of the online photographers websites - photos that weren't straight, were't particularly sharp, weren't well framed - in general photos that were complete garbage. I contrast that with my well exposed, well framed images that nobody even looks at. The only thing those websites have going for them is hundreds of bad quality images that scream amateur while I tend to prefer a few higher quality images.

Am I wrong in presenting a few higher quality images? Should I be plastering the place with thousands of crap images?

The biggest problem is that we have to many MWACs out there taking crappy snaps then milking the market. I don't know how they make their money when their photography is so lousy.

Thoughts on event planning

As I said, I'm a salesman. When I sell, I don't sell by features. I sell by need fulfillment. This is a cheese and tomato sandwich. It is made of bread, butter, cheese and red tomatoes. It costs P200 and is plastic wrapped and was made by slave labor.

This is very different from...

Our delicious new cheese and tomato sandwich, made from zesty sun-ripened tomatoes grown in organic fields and cheese hand made from free range cows awaits your delectation. Every luxurious bite fills you with wholesome goodness and no artificial ingredients. All that for the tiny sum of P200

OK so I overegged the sales pitch. The point I'm making is that we sell to a need rather than selling features. We're dealing with people rather than machines. So, that being said my ultimate question...

What exactly are we selling when it comes to photography during events? I'd probably have made more of a success of photography as an event business is I wasn't blundering about trying to sell pictures. For the life of me I cannot fathom why anybody would actually hire a photographer other than to do something they can't do themselves. Any suggestions/ideas/comments?

Wedding guests

So, I'll try to make this as short as possible. My sister and I have always had a troubled relationship and somewhat recently we got into a spat and haven't been on speaking terms for ~6 mos. I called her about 5 months ago and told her that I wanted to work on things but she basically slammed the door on that one and we haven't talked since. She recently sent in her RSVP and said "+1", indicating she is bringing her BF. Firstly, my fiance and I are having 35 guests at our wedding in order to stay within our budget but more importantly so that we surround ourselves with people we are close with and who know us as a couple. My sister wants to bring her BF because she wouldn't be comfortable going otherwise. She knew we weren't allowing guests. Plus, neither I nor my fiance have even met her boyfriend....So, um, a wedding guest count of 35 (super small) and one person we haven't even met? I mailed my sister a letter asking if the four of us get together so that we could meet her BF and she declined that offer because we're not on speaking terms.

What should I do? I feel like either way, we are dammed. She's been really mean to me (not wanting to work anything out, not being there for me in the process of getting married, etc.) and I feel like why should I do her a favor? Also, we're not even allowed to meet him, yet we have to invite him to our wedding? How does that make sense? I feel like if we don't invite him, she won't come and the rest of the family will be pissed at us for not inviting him. Yet, if we do invite him, she still won't be on speaking terms with me and we'll get a total stranger at our intimate wedding.

I'm looking for suggestions

I got encouraged to get a business license then mocked for the business that I never wanted in the first place not being successful. I was much happier as an amateur selling the occasional thing. Indeed, my books have not sold tremendously well BUT THEY ARE SELLING. My books have been the most financially successful of all my photographic endeavors.

So, I'm in the Chamber of Commerce now. Nobody is in the slightest interested in photography and nobody even wants to see my portfolio. I'm not surprised. I was very much of the impression when I was in the area I came from that photography was just a hobby and never a trade. I got sold on it as a big money-spinner by the individual mentioned and of course, I was right on the money with my original thoughts which that individual managed to pervert. I'm using the Chamber more for contacts than anything else these days.

Currently yes I'm working in sales and I'm damned good at it but I want to get out into something more lucrative which is why I'm taking an online course right now. So getting back to the main point. I'm trying to get the Hell away from the bad memories of the past. I want to get into a totally new system. I used to use Nikon manual focus and loved it. I don't really, honestly, see that I need something as big and heavy though. I don't want a zoom compact - that's way too restrictive.

I was very interested in the Olympus 420 and 520 but Olympus seem to be doing what they did before and seem to be dumping their system in favor of a new system. I must admit I like the Micro Four Thirds cameras - particularly the Sony and the Panasonic. I am scared of those being another APS debacle - remember APS SLRs of the 1990s - they came out as did disk film then vanished fast.

I like the size of the smaller micro-four thirds stuff. I'm concerned about image quality and about the systems just dropping out of favor. I find full size cameras somewhat bulky and heavy.

I want to build a studio in my garage

I decided I will convert my garage into a studio. I want to texture one wall, maybe in three sections, like a brick wall section, plaster section and maybe a drywall falling off section.

I will also get some backdrops. I will need an AC unit as well.

I'll get some strobes, al least two or three, and maybe some props too.

I will park my vehicles in the garage, except for the time of photo-shoots of course.

I'll need to hire some models to practice my lighting, and maybe in time, if I get good enough, I can charge a small fee for my work.

I really want to get the hang of lighting and the shadows but I won't spend a ton. I found the Chinese screw-in flash units that are about P1500 work really well. Get two or three that work as master or slave. Got a radio slave setup so you can trigger your flashes WITHOUT connecting them to your camera as I suspect they could be high-voltage trigger cables.

B&H has some great lightstands and background supports in their budget range. You can also get slightly cheaper off sulit. Umbrellas and flash mounts just get off sulit also. You can set up to use speedlites as your flash setup if you want but that's an expensive way of doing it though very portable. 

As for backgrounds - I don't make plans - I just make use of what's available and do it cheap. 

Nikon lens question

I've this question out to a few buddies, but figured I'd ask here: someone is selling a few Nikon lens and a friend of mine is interested, but the seller didn't provide much info.

Has anyone heard of or used an "aspherical 28-30mm lens"? If so, is it any good? No brand name given. I haven't had much luck googling; does this ring a bell? Am wondering if it's a typo and they left off an extra zero - there is a Sigma aspherical 28-300mm lens. Anyone know this lens?

Also, Sigma Macro 70-300 - any good? Again, no additional info, I'm not sure how fast this is.

Friend has googled for info on the latter lens, and he seems satisfied with the reviews, but personal exp is always good.

Bad experience with Zale's for wedding bands

I just had the crappiest experience with buying plain white gold bands online from Zale's. One was a men's 4.0 mm in size 9, the other was a women's 2.0mm in size 6.5.

First, they offered free FedEx shipping on purchases over $150--which they did not deliver.

Second, they misrepresented the availability of the bands and then insisted that they were listed as "special orders" at the time of purchase. (I have a screenshot of my shopping cart showing this not to be the case.)

Third, they were rude and evasive. When I called to follow up a week later, this is what one customer service rep told me:

"When the site says that an item is located in stock, that means the MATERIALS are available to be made into a ring. It takes time to make these beautiful things for you. It's a ring, it's not a shirt."

A second said, "You were told FOUR times before you checked out that these items were special orders."

When I tried to tell him that I wasn't told once, and that I had a screenshot and an email invoice that completely refuted his claim, he began reciting store policies over me. The service staff was so incredibly rude and argumentative that I finally cancelled the order.

I just wanted to share this with people here, in case they're thinking of buying wedding bands from Zales. My advice would be run, don't walk, to a better jeweler.

End of an era -- 35mm is dead

Well, not dead. But my last 35mm camera just died. My Pentax ME Super just died. Shutter mechanism sticks. I haven't used it in 7 months and only really pulled it out to use up the last bit of the 24 exposure roll. I didn't say film was dead, as I'm really liking the Yashica model A I found online for $10 a few months ago. The 120 type ISO 100 BW film really has that old quality feel to it and the images are exactly what I want.

But 35mm? I honestly don't think I'll buy another 35mm film camera.

I need to know what is a photography purist?


I recently joined a photo group and some people call themselves purist. They don't like cropping, enhancing contrast, color etc in post processing. I simply don't understand this. If there is something that makes the image better shouldn't you use it? They are content with shooting b&w and some even use film. It appears to me that those who don't understand "new" digital technology and Photoshop, Lightroom etc. call themselves purist. If they really were purist wouldn't they still be using daguerreotype?

While I don't know what this group's motives are, I define a purist as someone who tries to create images close to the reality and doesn't rely on excessive editing. By that definition, I'd be considered one too. My goals are to get the images I want in-camera while I'm at the scene, as opposed to relying on editing to "save" my images.

I do edit, though - but minimally. Crop, straighten horizon (I almost always have a slight tilt), minor tweaks to different adjustments, maybe B&W if I think it'd look good, etc. Most SOOC images need a light touch to bring it to life.

I do not like gimmicky editing like wacky HDR, faux gold sun toning, Instagram-ish postprocessing, etc. They're fun, but they're fads, and the craze for the styles passes very quickly.

Seems to me that, while your group may take the purism ideal a tad too far (like I said, most images need a little editing, IMO), it'd be good for you because it helps teach you good habits instead of relying on crutches. My two cents.

How do you handle photos at the church?


My fiance and I are getting married this summer at a local church and have large guest list. We booked our photographer only for the ceremony and after-ceremony photos of ourselves and family members. Our reception is not "immediately following", but about 3 hours later at a different venue. I am stumped on what to do regarding having the guests vacate the church so we can take traditional photos at the alter with bride/groom and wedding party only.

I also have guests who have told me they will not be able to make it to our reception, and I would like to see them on the wedding day and thank them for coming, etc.

My only idea is that my groom and I walk back down the aisle and stop in the church foyer, so we can get hugs/handshakes etc from people who can't come to the reception (I know there is usually a reception line at the actual reception, but we will miss out on seeing some people!). The problem is our large guest list and waiting for everyone to exit the church so we can take pictures uninterrupted.

If anyone has any ideas/suggestion, please help! thanks!

Need advice for making container soy candles

I'd like to make soy candles in baby food jars & mason jars of diff sizes for my daughter's wedding. I'd love to get advice from experienced crafters on what type of soy wax to purchase (EcoSoya Container Blend Advanced Soy Wax??), which wicks work best (HTP, cotton core, make your own??), & where is the best (cheapest) place to purchase the supplies. My daughter (the bride to be) is coming in 2 days for a weekend visit. I'd love to get working on this. OR if you know of good websites/videos to help me, that would be AWESOME!! I'd be willing to split a 50lb bag of wax...not sure how much I'll need. I was going to make extras for gifts. I wasn't planning on adding color or fragrance at this point

Small Wedding Venue


I've been working on planning a friend's wedding for a few weeks now but I'm running into a lot of problems with finding a venue. Her fiancee and her would really like an outdoor wedding ceremony and an indoor reception so we're trying to plan for the wedding to be this summer or early fall but it is difficult to find places that are still available on a Saturday on such short notice.

Our wedding will only have about 30-40 guests, and ideally, it would be nice to have a garden wedding, or a wedding in a venue that had some view of Tagaytay, even if it was far in the distance. However, in weeks of looking, I have found that all garden spots in Tagaytay do not fit into thebudget that we're working with or are extremely popular with large and small events and are therefore already booked through this year and it seems that there are few places that have views of downtown that are not rooftop venues downtown.

I have branched out into looking at bed and breakfasts around Tagaytay and then private estates that may have gardens that we could rent for 1 or two days but am still not having any luck finding anything. With only 30 guests, I feel like there has to be some great, small venue with either a garden or downtown view that doesn't cost more than P50,000 to rent for a day and that isn't already booked for every Saturday this year. Does anyone know of any or have any suggestions as to what other kinds of businesses I might try to look at?

Any motion-graphics experts in Manila?


I'm eager to know how the animated backgrounds of a certain Youtube video were created. A commercially sold plug-in, with customizable timing? Or a native feature of a certain software program? If either of these, what's the product's name? Or else, is it likely an original animation, composited into a motion gfx project (such as FCP? iMovie? Or ___?) on its own layer(s)? 


I messaged to the uploader nearly 7 weeks ago, with similar questions. But no answer. 

So, I'd be very grateful if anyone here could please offer suggestions how the animated background was achieved. Thanks in advance!

Question on organizing photos in an album

This may be perceived as a silly question but whats the best way to arrange photos in an album or on a website? I usually shoot B&W but depending on the photo I may enhance it, use color, sepia, etc. Is it best to keep B&W separate or is it better to arrange based on the location the image was taken? For example have one album for my new york photos and one for photos from my european trips. Also is it best to keep iphone photos in their own album?

Recommendations for photo, neg+ slide scanners?


I'm scanning everything I can get my hands on. Documents, pamphlets, yearly appointment books, and now slides, negs, and photos.

What's fast, and good? I'd like to get a SlideScan Pro, but they're about $8,000. Nikon CoolScans are great, but they don't even work with Win7 systems; they stopped making them with Win98 systems.

There is a Kodak photo scanner that doesn't look too bad. You load photos in the tray, hit the button, and off it goes. I have a document scanner that is similar to that, and can also do photos at 600 ppi and turn them into jpegs, but it's not that great with photos; the output images probably aren't as good as what Kodak would do with them. Crummier scanners don't have a tray, and you have to load them in 1 at a time. Forget that. I want to knock this project out; I probably have 1,000 photos. No way I'm going to hand feed each one. Same with slides and negs.

Any recommendations?

Pentax K-5: Why you should buy it


Ok, I've owned my K-5 for two months now and must give my 2 cents about it.
First off, you will NOT find a better buy under $1400, PERIOD.
The reasons are plentiful:
1. It's weather sealed- I took it out into an intense thunderstorm to snap photos of lightning. It was SOAKED, but now two weeks later, not a single issue has arisen. (This was with the weathersealed KIT LENS) Nothing by Canon, Nikon or Sony comes close to this level of protection.

2. It has by far the best image quality in the APS-C sized sensor market. It blows away the T3i, T4i, D7000, A77 and anything else with a "cropped" sensor. Mainly this is due to its amazing color bit depth, dynamic range and the fact that it has image stabilization IN CAMERA.. Meaning no matter what lens you attach to it, whether it be a day old or 30 years, it will be stabilized. Heck, with good glass, it smokes my 5D Mark II(not in video though).

3. It's light, small, compact and feels very solid, as it has a steel frame and magnesium body.

4. Pentax lenses are quite a bit sharper than their Nikon/Sony/Canon counterparts. They're almost as good as Olympus lenses. My 18-55mm WR kit lens stops down to an AMAZING f/40!!! At f/8 and 35mm(sweet spot), it's every bit as sharp as my 17-40L Canon lens, add weathersealing and you've got the best Kit lens on the market.

5. Backwards compatible with every Pentax lens ever made.

6. In-Camera: HDR, Interval(time lapse) shooting mode, multiple exposure(layering), 1/8000 top shutter speed, Image stabilization, dual axis level(on viewfinder, info screen on top and back screen), weathersealed pop-up flash and live view shooting.

Ok, I'm a 6'5" tall guy with very large hands and I have found it to be a pleasure to hold. It's nowhere near as bulky or as frightening(to candid victims) as my 5D MII. However, in time I will be getting the battery grip for better portrait shots.

I shopped for over a year before buying the K-5 and compared it to every camera under $1,500, including some full frame models. What I found was that the K-5 is perhaps the best deal in photography. Before you buy a Nikon D3200/D7000/D5200, Canon T2i,T3i,T4i,60D,7D, or any Sony camera, you owe it to yourself to compare them to the mighty K-5! You will not be disappointed!

Any recommendations for a compact street photography rig?


I'm going to be travelling soon and I want to be able to do a lot of street photography of everyday people and environments. I don't want to have to always be lugging my DSLR(s) and sticking big honking lenses into people's faces. I have an S90 which I love, but it's way too slow for street photography.

I've been reading a little ... the Olympus something or other, the Fuji Pro-X, the Canon G15 at the less expensive end. But I'm leaning more towards X100 than the X-pro for street shooting unless you really need to change lenses. The 23mm/F2 fixed lens is incredibly sharp. With the most recent firmware they are much faster than originally shipped, although it's still not perfect. It has a built in flash that always seems to give the perfect fill flash, and it seems faster than the X-pro. If you can wait a bit the new version X100s is coming out (pre-orders going on now) and that one is supposed to have DSLR speed AF and the same sensor as the X-pro.


I also liked using the Olympus pen cameras, not sure what the latest model is. The IQ on the one I had (I think Pen E-PL1) is noticeably better than the S90, pretty fast and if you get the Panasonic 20mm/1.7 lens you have a nice pocketable rig.

I have a friend (commercial photographer that shoots medium format digital) that carries one of these around on the street and absolutely loves it. I played with it for a few minutes, but didn't do any real shooting with it so I can't say it's better or worse than the other suggestions, but I can tell you he raves about his and the pictues I've seen were amazing.

Any real-world advice? Looking for good image quality, very responsive and fast, viewfinder (optical or digital), maybe keep the project in the (very) low four figures.